Police State Perversity: NSA Voyeurs vs. CIA Sadists

Police State Perversity: NSA Voyeurs vs. CIA Sadists

Facebook and Google don't want to give the government their data about you - at least not for free.
Facebook and Google don’t want to give the government their data about you – at least not for free.

Snowden has reportedly given copies of the full archives of all the classified information in his possession to news organizations as a precautionary measure in case anything happens to him. Guardian reporter Glenn Greenwald recently bragged that “The majority of revelations that are significant have yet to be made.”


“I can’t hope to change the way things are going by overtly complaining, writing letters, or blowing things up,” Snowden wrote in 2003 in response to a discussion about corporate greed on the Ars Technica online forum.

“That’s not the way a good person does things. I will, however, do what I can with the tools that are available to me.”

Snowden was also a prolific commentator on the technology forum Ars Technica, posting approximately 750 messages using the screen name “The True HOOHA” from late 2001 to 2012.

This Surveillance State Brought to You By These Fine Companies
This Surveillance State Brought to You By These Fine Companies

Former CIA officer John Kiriakou, who is serving a thirty-month sentence in prison in Loretto, Pennsylvania, has written another letter. It expresses support for former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, who has exposed secret US government surveillance programs and policies, and provided a glimpse of the ever-expanding massive surveillance apparatus the government has built.

Kiriakou was the first member of the CIA to publicly acknowledge that torture was official US policy under the administration of President George W. Bush. He was convicted in October of last year of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) when he provided the name of an officer involved in the CIA’s Rendition, Detention and Interrogation (RDI) program to a reporter and sentenced in January of this year. He reported to prison on February 28 (which was also the day that Pfc. Bradley Manning pled guilty to some offenses and read a statement in military court at Fort Meade).

Oh shit, I forgot the safe word
Oh shit, I forgot the safe word

She started to unbutton her pants and reached and put her hands in her pants and then started to circle around the detainee. And when she had her hands in her pants, apparently she used something to put what appeared to be menstrual blood on her hand, but in fact was ink,” says Saar.

“When she circled around the detainee, she pulled out her hand, which was red, and said, ‘I’m actually menstruating right now, and I’m touching you. Does that please your God? Does that please Allah?’ And then he kind of got pent up and shied away from her, and she then took the ink and wiped it on his face, and said, ‘How do you like that?'”

60 Minutes talked to three interrogators who were at Guantanamo at the same time that Saar was there. And they told us the sexual tactics were well known, and even had a name they called it the “sex-up” approach.

The FBI does its own questioning of prisoners at Guantanamo, and those agents have been writing emails, classified secret, to FBI headquarters. They detail abuse by military interrogators. The agents wrote of finding prisoners “chained hand and foot in a fetal position” for up to 24 hours at a time, and of prisoners who had “urinated or defecated on themselves.”

And now I wanna be your dog.
And now I wanna be your dog.

“Unimaginable to me, I just can not imagine what people think they were doing,” says Army Col. Patrick Lang, who was head of human intelligence gathering at the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency.

Lang, who’s now retired, wrote the Arabic and Middle-East studies curricula for West Point. “I mean, what is this?” asks Lang. “A scene from Dante’s Inferno? I mean, what level of hell are we on to? Imagine that we could do such things to people? This is just absolutely wrong.”

A Thousand Points of Pain
A Thousand Points of Pain

The American Los Zetas. Iran-Contra was the first glimpse at the drug cartel at the heart of America’s intelligence establishment.

His name is Duane “Dewey” Clarridge, and he’s been a deep CIA operative for decades.  During the Iran-Contra scandal, his name appears numerous times in Col. Oliver North’s diaries, along with such entries as kilos, drug runners, Pablo Escobar, Bay of Pigs and Barry Seal. 

In Rep. Maxine Waters’ (D-Calif.) 1998 testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on “Allegations of Connections between the CIA and Contras in Cocaine Trafficking in the U.S.,” she stated, “Duane Clarridge was the CIA officer who helped create the Contras at a time when the Meneses ring first began dealing cocaine for the FDN [a Contra group]. His name also appeared in Oliver North’s notebooks as being responsible for making quid pro quo deals with known drug kingpin Manuel Noriega.”

Let's play ATF vs. Christians.
Let’s play ATF vs. Christians.

As the siege wore on, two factions developed within the FBI, one believing negotiation to be the answer, the other, force. Increasingly aggressive techniques were used to try to force the Branch Davidians out (for instance, sleep deprivation of the inhabitants by means of all-night broadcasts of recordings of jet planes, pop music, chanting and the screams of rabbits being slaughtered).

Criticism was later leveled at the tactic of using sleep- and peace-disrupting sound against the Branch Davidians by Schneider’s attorney, Jack Zimmerman: “The point was this – they were trying to have sleep disturbance and they were trying to take someone that they viewed as unstable to start with, and they were trying to drive him crazy. And then they got mad ‘cos he does something that they think is irrational!

Wikipedia, Waco Siege

Deal With the Devil
Deal With the Devil

When the family received the body from the prison authorities, it was covered in wounds, cuts, and bruises, leading the family to believe Trentadue had been tortured and beaten before his death. Trentadue had sustained three heavy blows to the head, and his throat had been cut; prison authorities claimed the wounds were self-inflicted. The day after Trentadue’s death, Kevin Rowland, the chief examiner of the Oklahoma state medical examiner filed a complaint with the FBI reporting irregularities in the investigation of Trentadue’s death: the coroner was at first not permitted into the cell where Trentadue had died, and the cell itself was washed out before any investigation could be performed. The complaint went on to state that, although the exact cause of death could not be determined, the claim that Trentadue had committed suicide was not consistent with the medical examiner’s findings, and Trentadue appeared to have been tortured. The FBI paperwork from the agent who received the medical examiner’s call reads “murder” and “believes that foul play is suspect[ed] in this matter.”

Timothy McVeigh is reported to have said, “Now I know why Trentadue was killed, because they thought he was Richard Guthrie.” … Less than one year after Trentadue’s death, Guthrie would also be found dead in his prison cell, the day before he was scheduled to give a television interview. His death was ruled a suicide by hanging.

Kenneth Michael Trentadue

No homo!
No homo!

Dan Mitrione, the exponent of these things, spent seven years in Brazil and three in Uruguay, teaching interrogation; teaching torture. He was supposed to be the master of the business: how to apply the right amount of pain, at just the right times, in order to get the response you want from the individual. They gave them crank generators — with “U.S.A.I.D.” written on the side, so the people even knew where these things came from — and developed a wire that was strong enough to carry the current and fine enough to fit between the teeth, so you could put one wire between the teeth, and the other in or around the genitals. You could crank, and submit the individual to the greatest amount of pain, supposedly, that the human body can register.

Now, how do you teach torture? Someone can teach you about torture, but sooner or later you have to get involved. You have to lay on your hands and try it yourself. They would pick up guinea pigs off the streets: beggars, and take them in to use in these torture training classes. Of course, the horror of that is, these people wouldn’t know why they were being tortured. They couldn’t give up. They couldn’t say: “I’m sorry! Stop the pain! I’ll tell you the names of everybody involved!” All they could do was lie there and scream!

When they would collapse, they would bring in doctors who would shoot them up with Vitamin B and rest them up for the next class. And when they would die, they would mutilate the bodies and throw them out on the streets to terrify the population, so that everybody would be afraid of the police and the Government. This is what the CIA was teaching them to do.

Think of a penguin.
Think of a penguin.

One of the women who was in this program for two years — tortured in Brazil for TWO YEARS — testified internationally when she eventually got out. She said the most horrible thing about it, in fact, was that the people doing it were not raving psychopaths. She couldn’t break mental contact with them the way you could if they were psychopaths. They were very ordinary people.

She told about being tortured one day: She’s on this table, naked in a room full of six men, and they’re doing these incredibly painful, degrading things to her body. There’s an interruption. The American is called to the telephone, and he’s in the next room, and the others take a smoke break. She’s lying on this table, and he’s saying: “Oh, hi Honey. Yes, I can wrap it up here in another hour or so, and meet you and the kids at the Ambassador’s on the way home.”

John Stockwell, The Secret Wars of the CIA

Can I be honest with you? I'm not your friend. I'm not here to help you. I'm here to break you.
Can I be honest with you? I’m not your friend. I’m not here to help you. I’m here to break you.

In December 2003, a woman prisoner inside the jail west of Baghdad managed to smuggle out a note. Its contents were so shocking that, at first, Amal Kadham Swadi and the other Iraqi women lawyers who had been trying to gain access to the US jail found them hard to believe.

The note claimed that US guards had been raping women detainees, who were, and are, in a small minority at Abu Ghraib. Several of the women were now pregnant, it added. The women had been forced to strip naked in front of men, it said. The note urged the Iraqi resistance to bomb the jail to spare the women further shame.

The Other Prisoners, Luke Harding, The Guardian U.K. Thursday 20 May 2004


4 thoughts on “Police State Perversity: NSA Voyeurs vs. CIA Sadists

  1. Good one! Trentadue also had enough caffiene in his body to choke a horse. It’s used to increase pain.

    I prefer the old CIA interrogation manuals from the 80s. They mention coercive techniques quite openly. Murka did some horrible things in South/Central America.

    One really gets the impression that coersive techniques are encouraged. Field manuals are like employee training manuals – very nice and proper but nothing to do with reality.


    1. My guess is that torture has a limited capacity for getting information. The whole Jack Ryan trope about torturing a terrorist to find the ticking time bomb is bullshit. There are better interrogation tactics. This debate played out in the public media all through the Bush administration.

      But what torture is really good for is terrorism. That’s why the Mexican drug cartels torture people and dump the bodies in public – to terrorize the population. Once people can accept the reality of the last 12 years, it’s easier to understand who the real targets of the terrorism were – us, Americans.

      There’s also an element of conditioning people through torture. You can get them to disassociate. Disassociation seems common especially among women who were abused sexually and physically as children; the disassociation is a coping mechanism. Some of those girls that get tattoos all over themselves are disassociated; they feel their body is different than “them” and that what happens to their body is not necessarily happening to “them.” There’s a long track record of the CIA using torture to create disassociated people that they believe can be used as assets. How effective it is is up for debate, but the record is very, very clear that they spent a lot of time studying it. It’s a pretty dark subject. CIA has tortured children in the past – American children, by the way.

      Psychologists have found something really interesting about serial killers, they can predict them by observing childhood behavior. Torturing animals, starting fires, and bed wetting (weird, huh?) Torture is a behavior that exists even in the animal kingdom – watch your housecat with a mouse, for instance. It’s actually a unique feature of Western societies to promote empathy with torture victims – the icon of the cruicified Christ for example. One of the things that makes white people unique is our high capacity for empathy.

      I’m no moralist and I’m no pacifist, but torture is bad. Bad mojo. We do not want to live in a society where torture is acceptable. Sometimes I entertain a conspiracy theory that our elites have been raised in the way described by Ann Rice’s Sleeping Beauty Chronicles. Might be fun for a woman’s idle sexual fantasy, but in real life it would be Dante’s Circle of Hell.

      WDH posted a speech by some German National Socialist about homosexuality, specifically, how a homosexual network forms in an organization. The trick is, while a man might hire a pretty girl for a secretary, the homosexuals hire other homosexuals, not necessarily ones that they would be attracted to. Well, that style of networking seems to happen among natural born sociopaths as well.

      Let me give you a nightmare future scenario: Orwell’s boot stomping a human face, forever? Imagine that boot being worn by a bisexual sociopathic sadist armed with high technology. We’re getting closer to a technical dystopia which will extinguish human freedom forever.


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